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		<title>By: Omo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I may want to do something to make money again at some point. I am free to do that. I did some free-lance writing after grad school and before landing the newspaper job.

Right now, I am enjoying the relative freedom from stress. I had a very stressful job for 29 years with daily deadlines.

I read that Marketwatch story on saving too much for retirement. I love Marketwatch, but I think that article was basically crap. I hope it doesn&#039;t make people more complacent than they are.

Roth IRAs are great, but most of my money is in tradition IRAs and my 401k. If I don&#039;t get a job soon, I plan to begin taking substantially equal periodic payments from my IRAs next year under IRS rule 72(t), which allows penalty-free --but not tax-free--withdrawals based on life expectancy. I intend to spend no more than 4 percent per year of my total financial assets.

If I had been able to wait until age 55 to retire, I could have taken unlimited withdrawals from my 401k without penalty, but I didn&#039;t have that option.

I have been reading this blog for only a couple weeks, and I can&#039;t remember how I found it, but it&#039;s fun. 

It&#039;s amazing how quickly your life can change after being the same for so long. If you had told me five months ago that I would be retired now, I would have been stunned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I may want to do something to make money again at some point. I am free to do that. I did some free-lance writing after grad school and before landing the newspaper job.</p>
<p>Right now, I am enjoying the relative freedom from stress. I had a very stressful job for 29 years with daily deadlines.</p>
<p>I read that Marketwatch story on saving too much for retirement. I love Marketwatch, but I think that article was basically crap. I hope it doesn&#8217;t make people more complacent than they are.</p>
<p>Roth IRAs are great, but most of my money is in tradition IRAs and my 401k. If I don&#8217;t get a job soon, I plan to begin taking substantially equal periodic payments from my IRAs next year under IRS rule 72(t), which allows penalty-free &#8211;but not tax-free&#8211;withdrawals based on life expectancy. I intend to spend no more than 4 percent per year of my total financial assets.</p>
<p>If I had been able to wait until age 55 to retire, I could have taken unlimited withdrawals from my 401k without penalty, but I didn&#8217;t have that option.</p>
<p>I have been reading this blog for only a couple weeks, and I can&#8217;t remember how I found it, but it&#8217;s fun. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how quickly your life can change after being the same for so long. If you had told me five months ago that I would be retired now, I would have been stunned.</p>
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		<title>By: MFJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wylie 

Yeah saw the article and have questioned it myself a couple of times....about having too much saved up for retirement.  Like you I&#039;ve thought about cutting off retirement at a certain point and putting into a taxable account.  I guess the Roth IRA and Roth 401k (if you rollover into Roth IRA) do give you access the money penalty free (you can withdraw what you put in penalty free)

@Omo - Is there a condition on the buyout that says you can&#039;t get a different job somewhere else.  I would think if you had the health insurance wrapped up you could really find a job that you would enjoy and would supplement your income.  Independent contractor/freelancer comes to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wylie </p>
<p>Yeah saw the article and have questioned it myself a couple of times&#8230;.about having too much saved up for retirement.  Like you I&#8217;ve thought about cutting off retirement at a certain point and putting into a taxable account.  I guess the Roth IRA and Roth 401k (if you rollover into Roth IRA) do give you access the money penalty free (you can withdraw what you put in penalty free)</p>
<p>@Omo &#8211; Is there a condition on the buyout that says you can&#8217;t get a different job somewhere else.  I would think if you had the health insurance wrapped up you could really find a job that you would enjoy and would supplement your income.  Independent contractor/freelancer comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Omo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I retired last month at age 53. I would have preferred to work another five to seven years, and I would have had considerably more in financial assets. 

But the newspaper I work for was being sold to God-knows-who, and buyouts were offered to senior staffers. The offer included subsidized health insurance until age 65. 

I crunched the numbers and decided I could survive on my assets, without working if I didn&#039;t want to. It was a gut-wrenching decision, and I won&#039;t be living a lavish lifestyle. But the alternative was to maybe be stuck at my job for another 12 years because I couldn&#039;t get affordable insurance. 

The worst-case scenario: The new owner fires me and I end up with no buyout and COBRA.

Here&#039;s what I recommend: Save as much as you can and get your house paid off. I&#039;m sure there are lots of people, both white- and blue-collar, being sideswiped like this by retirement these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I retired last month at age 53. I would have preferred to work another five to seven years, and I would have had considerably more in financial assets. </p>
<p>But the newspaper I work for was being sold to God-knows-who, and buyouts were offered to senior staffers. The offer included subsidized health insurance until age 65. </p>
<p>I crunched the numbers and decided I could survive on my assets, without working if I didn&#8217;t want to. It was a gut-wrenching decision, and I won&#8217;t be living a lavish lifestyle. But the alternative was to maybe be stuck at my job for another 12 years because I couldn&#8217;t get affordable insurance. </p>
<p>The worst-case scenario: The new owner fires me and I end up with no buyout and COBRA.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I recommend: Save as much as you can and get your house paid off. I&#8217;m sure there are lots of people, both white- and blue-collar, being sideswiped like this by retirement these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Wylie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wylie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did any of you catch the article at marketwatch about saving too much for retirement?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B1EF550A6%2D58E2%2D4605%2D929A%2DFEA230A02380%7D&amp;siteid=mktw&amp;dist=nwhpf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Click here&lt;/a&gt;

My plan is to save as much as I can with maximum Roth IRA contribution, a good chunk in 403(b) and then increasing contribution in a non-retirement account.

This way my issue, should I be successful and not die young, my issue will be Mike&#039;s... deciding when.  And by retire, I also mean switch tracks.  I do not dislike my job now, but I would like to not work full time, sooner than my 50s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did any of you catch the article at marketwatch about saving too much for retirement?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B1EF550A6%2D58E2%2D4605%2D929A%2DFEA230A02380%7D&amp;siteid=mktw&amp;dist=nwhpf" rel="nofollow"> Click here</a></p>
<p>My plan is to save as much as I can with maximum Roth IRA contribution, a good chunk in 403(b) and then increasing contribution in a non-retirement account.</p>
<p>This way my issue, should I be successful and not die young, my issue will be Mike&#8217;s&#8230; deciding when.  And by retire, I also mean switch tracks.  I do not dislike my job now, but I would like to not work full time, sooner than my 50s.</p>
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		<title>By: broknowrchlatr</title>
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		<dc:creator>broknowrchlatr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MFJ - To clarify a little, I meant $2000 a week in 2007 dollars.  So a substantial ammount, regardless of what inflation does.  The way I track my progress to that is by a calculation I use on my current savings.   Roughly, I take the after tax equivalent of my savings to date and project out to 2035 using 2.5% inflation and 7.5% return.   Then I take that number * 5% (7.5-2.5) for annual salary and divide by 52 for weekly salary.   That results in a weekly after tax salary in 2007 dollars.  The nice thing about doing it this way is that I can more linearly track my progress.  i.e. when I am 50% done, the number will be $1000.   Right now, it is just a few hundred.   The other nice thing about this is that it tells me where I am going to be at retirement (roughly) if at any point I stopped saving all together (like if I took on a less stressful career).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MFJ &#8211; To clarify a little, I meant $2000 a week in 2007 dollars.  So a substantial ammount, regardless of what inflation does.  The way I track my progress to that is by a calculation I use on my current savings.   Roughly, I take the after tax equivalent of my savings to date and project out to 2035 using 2.5% inflation and 7.5% return.   Then I take that number * 5% (7.5-2.5) for annual salary and divide by 52 for weekly salary.   That results in a weekly after tax salary in 2007 dollars.  The nice thing about doing it this way is that I can more linearly track my progress.  i.e. when I am 50% done, the number will be $1000.   Right now, it is just a few hundred.   The other nice thing about this is that it tells me where I am going to be at retirement (roughly) if at any point I stopped saving all together (like if I took on a less stressful career).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the path to achieve retirement is a process, not a number.  The hard part might be knowing when you&#039;ve arrived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the path to achieve retirement is a process, not a number.  The hard part might be knowing when you&#8217;ve arrived.</p>
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		<title>By: MFJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MFJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Broke - I really like your weekly income goal, although like you point out inflation can wreak havoc with the most thought out retirement plans.  $2000 a week might be nothing in 20 years

@Lazy - Yeah I have a completely unscientific number that I think I would like to have and that is $10 Million, however I know to reach that I either got to have a substantial increase in income, invest like Warren Buffett, or not retire until I&#039;m old an nearly dead (by my calculations age 65)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Broke &#8211; I really like your weekly income goal, although like you point out inflation can wreak havoc with the most thought out retirement plans.  $2000 a week might be nothing in 20 years</p>
<p>@Lazy &#8211; Yeah I have a completely unscientific number that I think I would like to have and that is $10 Million, however I know to reach that I either got to have a substantial increase in income, invest like Warren Buffett, or not retire until I&#8217;m old an nearly dead (by my calculations age 65)</p>
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		<title>By: broknowrchlatr</title>
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		<dc:creator>broknowrchlatr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 3 years ago, I decided to go with a goal of $3.5 MM.  I had nothing really to base it on, but thought it was a good place to start.  But, I&#039;ve recently decided to put less faith in that being a good goal.  For one thing, it is hard to even guess what the buying power of that number will really be.  If we have a few big inflationary years, $3.5 mm could end up being what $500k is now...not much.  It could, on the other hand, be a very substantial retirement fund.   More recently, I&#039;ve been going on the &#039;magic number&#039; of getting enough cash to be able to attain an after tax income of about $2000 a week. 

Now that I think about it, the $2000 a week is not really a financial goal, but a lifestyle goal.  That&#039;s what it really comes down to.  If you want a magic number as a goal, thatâ€™s fine.  But what you really want to answer is what lifestyle do I want to be able to afford.

Here is a good example of that:   My goals are to retire at 55 (tentatively) and have a lifestyle that would cost about $2000 a week.  But, if Iâ€™ll 55 and am only 75% of the way there, I my very well make the call that the part of my lifestyle I am least willing to sacrifice is not working (at least not working full time).  People don&#039;t say it this way, but this is probably the reason most people retire earlier than they planned.   It&#039;s not that they hit their financial target early, its that they want to stop working and relax.

That being said; If you have a PF blog like we do (sure, mine&#039;s in its infant stage), its not very elegant to have a posted goal of &quot;retire at 55 and be able to play golf&quot;. 

So, to directly answer your question: $2000 a week. (but that&#039;s certainly not the whole picture).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 3 years ago, I decided to go with a goal of $3.5 MM.  I had nothing really to base it on, but thought it was a good place to start.  But, I&#8217;ve recently decided to put less faith in that being a good goal.  For one thing, it is hard to even guess what the buying power of that number will really be.  If we have a few big inflationary years, $3.5 mm could end up being what $500k is now&#8230;not much.  It could, on the other hand, be a very substantial retirement fund.   More recently, I&#8217;ve been going on the &#8216;magic number&#8217; of getting enough cash to be able to attain an after tax income of about $2000 a week. </p>
<p>Now that I think about it, the $2000 a week is not really a financial goal, but a lifestyle goal.  That&#8217;s what it really comes down to.  If you want a magic number as a goal, thatâ€™s fine.  But what you really want to answer is what lifestyle do I want to be able to afford.</p>
<p>Here is a good example of that:   My goals are to retire at 55 (tentatively) and have a lifestyle that would cost about $2000 a week.  But, if Iâ€™ll 55 and am only 75% of the way there, I my very well make the call that the part of my lifestyle I am least willing to sacrifice is not working (at least not working full time).  People don&#8217;t say it this way, but this is probably the reason most people retire earlier than they planned.   It&#8217;s not that they hit their financial target early, its that they want to stop working and relax.</p>
<p>That being said; If you have a PF blog like we do (sure, mine&#8217;s in its infant stage), its not very elegant to have a posted goal of &#8220;retire at 55 and be able to play golf&#8221;. </p>
<p>So, to directly answer your question: $2000 a week. (but that&#8217;s certainly not the whole picture).</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Man and Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazy Man and Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you should be taking slack for not picking a number.  I picked a number, but it&#039;s almost entirely of a hat.  We&#039;ve got so far to go that a billion factors could change course.  It&#039;s like trying to predict when Dow 20,000 will happen.  Some might say 5 years while others would 10 and still more might take 20 or more.

When you can be off by 100% like that, I&#039;m not really sure the value in picking a number.  I like the series short term goals where you can at least make a reasonable estimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you should be taking slack for not picking a number.  I picked a number, but it&#8217;s almost entirely of a hat.  We&#8217;ve got so far to go that a billion factors could change course.  It&#8217;s like trying to predict when Dow 20,000 will happen.  Some might say 5 years while others would 10 and still more might take 20 or more.</p>
<p>When you can be off by 100% like that, I&#8217;m not really sure the value in picking a number.  I like the series short term goals where you can at least make a reasonable estimate.</p>
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		<title>By: traineeinvestor</title>
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		<dc:creator>traineeinvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do my own spread sheets so I can do detailed budgets and test sensitivity to a number of variables. I am currently intending to retire at 50. Given the length of my retirement period and that my wife should outlive me my at least a decade, I have assumed that my savings will have to last for 50 years. This makes the number very sensitive to assumptions about rates of return, inflation and draw down. 0.5% variance in any one of those three variable over 50 years can wreck a retirement plan. The cumulative effect of all three variables working against me could see us eating catfood in our 90s. As a result, I concluded that it was unsafe to allow any draw down for such a long retirement period.

Of course, if I keep working for a few extra years, even in a part time job, that makes a huge difference to the number as well. However, I have a number of possible plans for when I quit my current job and only some of them involve working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do my own spread sheets so I can do detailed budgets and test sensitivity to a number of variables. I am currently intending to retire at 50. Given the length of my retirement period and that my wife should outlive me my at least a decade, I have assumed that my savings will have to last for 50 years. This makes the number very sensitive to assumptions about rates of return, inflation and draw down. 0.5% variance in any one of those three variable over 50 years can wreck a retirement plan. The cumulative effect of all three variables working against me could see us eating catfood in our 90s. As a result, I concluded that it was unsafe to allow any draw down for such a long retirement period.</p>
<p>Of course, if I keep working for a few extra years, even in a part time job, that makes a huge difference to the number as well. However, I have a number of possible plans for when I quit my current job and only some of them involve working.</p>
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